List of Undecided Rules (tenhou)

Tsuno is adding rules to this list rather frequently, new stuff  in bold.

-Uma 5-10, 5-15, 20-50
-No Tochuuryuukoku
-Houra renchan
-Add 1500 points to the hand value for each renchan counter (normally 300 points)
-Can go below 0
-Atama hane
-Two aka dora in each suit.
-Noten renchan
-Oya doesn’t change until someone wins a hand
-Open Riichi
-Start with 2 dora indicators
-Can ron on an ankan with kokushi musou
-Kanzen Sakizuke
-Flower tiles
-Other local rules
-Always 2 han Shibari
-Aka dora count as Yaku
-Shizumi Uma (???)
-Return riichi deposits if Ryuukyoku
-Noten payment adjustment
-Can not change your wait after riichi
-Okkurikan Ari (???)
-Chombo ari (something about changing the riichi button)
-No tsumo payment decrease in 3p

9 thoughts on “List of Undecided Rules (tenhou)

  1. hello hello

    Shizumi Uma : If the Break even point, is 30000, when you point is under 30000, you have to pay “Shizumi Uma”. All minus score players have to pay it.

    Okkurikan is , you know, After Riichi you can do “no-changed winning tiles KAN(An-KAN)” Okkurikan is almost same. the difference is “no-changed win tiles” but “changed structure in hand” usually prohibited to do this Okurikan.

    for exsample:

    WW RRR 555567 (12)

    Tsumo 8 ,If you do KAN , your winning Tiles are (3),not change
    but ww RRR 5555 678 (12), the Structure is changed, new 678 coming up.

  2. So does Shizumi-uma work like no-ten penalty (3000 points split from losers to winners?) except on a scale like 30000 ?

    Or is it an unequal payment dependent on place and the 30000 mark, like:
    1 over:
    1st = +30k
    2nd = -5k
    3rd = -10k
    4th = -15k

    2 over:
    (same as normal: +20k, +10k, -10k, -20k)

    3 over:
    1st = +15k
    2nd = +10k
    3rd = +5k
    4th = -30k

    In any case, thanks for posting about shizumi-uma and okuri-kan.

  3. Hello.Hello.

    Shizumi-uma is usualy simple payment. when your score is 30100 , you dont need to pay.
    How much you have to pay is NOT depend on your order and the mumber of players.
    all under 30000 players have to pay same amount and only 1st player get everything.

    so this means ,3 players under 30000 is best for 1st player.
    only 1 player under 3000 is worst for 1st player.

  4. Hmm, I may have misinterpreted what the term “shizumi uma” refers to in my earlier comment. In any case, a system that replaces the standard uma/oka is fairly commonly known.

    Then again, maybe Otonashi and I are referring to the same thing. I kinda wish Otonashi he would post in Japanese so I can be sure.

  5. Hello hello.

    I don’t know the details of Benjamin’s earlier comment, but I think it is not misinterpretation. There are some different style “shizumi uma”.

    Although there are some different style “shizumi uma” , I wouldn’t say correct rule ,” but “shizumi uma” I wrote and explained is commonly known thing in Japan. Apparently this rule is popular in Osaka and west Japan.

    there are many “Uma”
    the style Senjo mentioned “1 over.2 over …” this kind of sizumi uma rule is in this page.

  6. My earlier comment is here:

    So according to Otonashi’s website, what I was describing is “kongo” (mixed) uma and is a combination of standard uma and shizumi uma. Unless I’m mistaken, it’s also what Senjo was describing. I think this means that we were both talking about something which was not “shizumi uma” itself as described on the page. That appears to be a system in which only first place receives points from people who are below the line.

    I really don’t know how popular either of these rules is in Japan. The only large body I’ve heard of that employs them is pro renmei, which uses “kongo” uma. I’ve never heard of anyone else using either and have never seen any non-standard uma employed in parlors I’ve been at.

    Also, from looking at Tsunoda’s original post, it seems like there’s a hierarchy of ideas; certain rules will be implemented, other are under various levels of consideration. I’m still not sure what form of shizumi uma he intended to refer to.

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